Vatican reportedly working on “Ecumenical Rite of Mass” for joint worship with Protestants

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Pope Francis meets with Rev. Jens-Martin Kruse at Rome’s Evangelical Lutheran Church on Nov. 15 2016

Italian journalist and Vatican expert Marco Tosatti has reported that Pope Francis has formed a top-secret commission tasked with implementing a new kind of “mass” that is acceptable to Catholics, Lutherans and Anglicans.

The commission consists of representatives from all three denominations, all bound to secrecy.

The journalist, who is well known in Italy for his accurate reporting of all things happening in the Vatican, has said that while this news is merely a “rumor” at this point, his “sources are usually good.”

According to his sources, the commission is finding little difficulty in finding common ground in the “liturgy of the word”.  Tosatti reports: “After the confession of sins, asking for forgiveness, and reciting the Gloria, there would be the readings and the Gospel.”

He also said that the commission is allegedly studying the problem of the Creed. Protestant churches prefer to pray the Apostles’ Creed, although they do recognize the Nicene Creed. The Catholic Church alternates between them. So not even this point should be a major problem.

The presentation of the gifts likewise does not present a major  obstacle to the project.

According to Tosatti, the central issue lies in the Eucharist, since the  Catholic understanding of the Eucharist is profoundly different from that of the Lutherans or of other Protestant denominations. Catholics believe in Transubstantiation and the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, while Protestants believe that it is merely a memorial.

But how can a common liturgy be celebrated that clearly differs in the wording right at the most important point of the event?

Tosatti reports that a possible “solution” being proposed is that the words of Consecration be replaced by silence.  It would mean that after the Sanctus, at the moment in which normally during the Mass the priest would say the words: “Father, you are holy indeed…” the different celebrants would keep silent, everyone mentally repeating “his own” formula.

The silence is broken in the congregation with the recitation of the Our Father. It is still not clear how the lines for Communion would be formed.

In light of this well-founded rumor, we should take heed of the remarks of Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, a close collaborator of Pope Francis and currently the President of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. The Vatican cardinal has suggested that we stop thinking of sacraments so rigidly as only either valid or invalid. For the sake of ecumenism, he opined that we should start looking into sacraments perhaps having “imperfect” or “partial” validity. Below are his exact words, as published in his exclusive interview with Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register:

We say, everything is valid; nothing is valid. Maybe we have to reflect on this concept of validity or invalidity. The Second Vatican Council said there is a true communion [between Catholics and Protestants] even if it is not yet definitive or full. You see, they made a concept not so decisive, either all or nothing. There’s a communion that is already good, but some elements are missing. But, if you say some things are missing and that therefore there is nothing, you err. There are pieces missing, but there is already a communion, but it is not full communion. The same thing can be said, or something similar, of the validity or invalidity of ordination. I said let’s think about it. It’s a hypothesis. Maybe there is something, or maybe there’s nothing — a study, a reflection. ∎

by John Supplers, Veritas Vincit

56 thoughts on “Vatican reportedly working on “Ecumenical Rite of Mass” for joint worship with Protestants

  1. This is an evil, diabolical attack against Our Lord, Our Lady, and the Mystical Body of Christ. This nonsense they are promoting is not a mass at all. It is the promotion of their Judaic masonic new world order religion. This is wrong and painful to Our Lord.

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    • I recall reading this somewhere as well. Both Pope Francis and Pope Benedict recommended a book called The Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson. It is about the coming Antichrist and how the Catholic Church will be effected. I recommend you to get it.

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    • What are we to do if this is not just a rumor. We cannot go to mass with Protestants and take the Eucharist without being participants in something profoundly wrong. What do we do if this comes to pass. I see the majority of clergy behaving as if the Emperor has clothes-only a few within the priesthood to protest the abuse of the Lord?

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      • Their are many Traditional catholic Churches not in full communion with Rome that hold valid sacraments and are valid clergy these are the true catholic churches of today. Go to them for worship. Even though Pope Francis says you must not he is in error of teaching as the true Mass has never been closed and remains the true Mass for the faithful.

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  2. Reblogged this on Mary Refuge Of Holy Love and commented:
    The coming abomination of desolation. A moment of silence at what is supposed to be the time of Consecration of The Holy Eucharist by the priest during the Holy Mass. Instead of pronouncing the holy words with his hands over the Sacred Host invoking The Holy Spirit, the priest remains silent with his hands folded together on the altar table and smiles wickedly at the congregation.

    This is what I witnessed in body and soul in 2011 when I saw the abomination of desolation at Holy Mass and immediately fled the church building. I never revealed what I saw before–all I said in Chapter 14 of my free ebook in 2012 and in my special commentary in August 2016 was that I saw it, but I never described what I actually saw to anyone.

    (See my special commentary in August 2016 where I mention the abomination of desolation: https://maryrefugeofholylove.com/2016/08/10/the-warning-illumination-of-conscience-the-suffering-of-purgatory-as-penance-for-sin/)

    This is pure evil.

    –a soul

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  3. Our God is not the God of silence. He is the Logos. He speaks. He creates by speaking. The priest must speak the words as Christ spoke words “This is my Body …” or there remains but bread and wine.

    “[1] In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. [2] And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. [3] And God said: Be light made. And light was made. [4] And God saw the light that it was good; and he divided the light from the darkness. [5] And he called the light Day, and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day. God said let there be light.” (Genesis Chapter 1)

    “[1] In the In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. [4] In him was life, and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.” (Gospel According to John Chapter 1)

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  4. Pope Francis has already caused enough turmoil and confusion with his ‘Amoris Laetitia’ rewriting of the centuries old teachings of the Catholic Church on marriage. If he walks even further away from the faith of our fathers and mothers by what sounds like a new and invalid rite of Mass I do not know what I will do – the prospect of having a pope who openly encourages heretical teachings and practices is something I cannot even begin to imagine. Barry Tobin, Cardiff.

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    • Barry, he is already doing that – dozens of openly heretical teachings and practices. You must see them now, surely? You don’t need to wait for this new “Mass”. It is so hard to pick one from the many but, for instance, Francis teaches that Jews do not have to convert to be saved, and he practices that belief methodically in all his relations with Jews, including his friend and collaborator, Rabbi Storka. There is no uncertainty about this. It is heretical. So what you worry about as a prospect is a present reality. Now what will you do about it?

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  5. Please note that Edward Pentin does not write for the National Catholic Reporter, more properly known in faithful Catholic circles as the National Catholic Distorter, National Schismatic Reporter or simply fishwrap. Edward Pentin writes for The National Catholic Register. As to the secret commission, sadly one finds it hard to decide which is worse, that such a thing does not seem out of place under the leadership of the current occupant of the Chair of St Peter or the realisation that our supposed shepherds feel that the faith has finally been sufficiently destroyed that they can get way with something like this.

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    • As Pope Leo XIII stated at the foot of his private altar a voice spoke to him and said I will destroy the catholic church. The pope said how and who are you. I’m Satan and I will destroy your church in 60 years. Well here it is the church is being destroyed and the words have been carried. Popes have removed the prayer of St Michael the Archangel and it must be put back in to our Masses. Most if not all traditional catholic churches refuse Pope Francis as the bishop of Rome as not being in error of the teachings of the catholic church as SCT says that even a Pope is not above the law and the teachings and if he is in error we must not follow him.

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  6. There is no way on earth that a faithful Catholic can even step foot in a Catholic Church that ‘celebrates’ this kind of evil. This is where we, faithful Catholics, go ‘into the catacombs’. I’m sorry but we just do not participate in devil worship.

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  7. Another question I have is this: WHY oh WHY is this ‘secret project’ of his so very secret to begin with??? This ‘Commission’ is sworn to secrecy?? Is this the crowning achievement of Bergoglio before he exists the Papacy? If this is true and comes to pass, he is beyond a shadow of a doubt THE FALSE PROPHET of the Bible. His purpose is to usher in the Antichrist.

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  8. THERE IS NO DOUBT,THAT WE HAVE,FOR LONG BEEN RUSE INTO THE NEW WORLD ORDER CELEBRATIONS IN THE NAME OF ECUMENISM,AKA SATANISM.OUR LADY IN HER MESSAGE TO THE SEERS OF 1917 DID SAY ”ROME WILL LOSE THE SEAT,AND BECOME THE ANTICHRIST.

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  9. I’ve always said that Bergoglio should have called himself Luther, rather than after the great and holy Saint Francis, because he’s destroying the Church rather than building it up. After reading this, I say we call him “pope Frankenstein” because he’s creating a monster!

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  10. Why are we surprised by this travesty? The Novus Ordo Mass was fabricated to achieve the same result. On December 8, 1973, the Superior Consistory of the Church of the Augsburg Confession of Alsace and Lorraine, a major Lutheran authority, publicly acknowledged their willingness to take part in the “Catholic Eucharistic celebration” because it allowed them to “use these new Eucharistic prayers with which they felt at home.” The loss of a substantial Catholic understanding of the Mass; the lex orandi, lex credendi, cannot be over-emphasized. But a question arises,why if the New Mass is acceptable to the Protestant, do members of the hierarchy wish to go even further than before in the dismantling of the Catholic liturgy? Maybe it is a Freemason plot or a modernist evolutionary desire for living changes in everything spiritual. At the end of the day, it is clearly the enemies of the one true Church that would dare advocate this milksop, this silent denial, as Catholic worship. Maybe one blessing from this wickedness could see faithful Catholics strenuously reject these innovation out of hand and begin to question all modern liturgies; though I have my doubts. My advice, if you are able, keep on attending the Traditional Mass to the point of death.

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  11. Surely now the great apostasy is upon us , come Lord Jesus come and save your church from the heretics and masons even entrenched among the hierarchy of the Vatican.

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  13. I rejoice to see so much protest from so many people. I was a former protestant. What most
    people do not understand, is that for example there is no such thing as a luthern religion, but
    rather luthern religions. Every pastor is his own pope. The question should then arise, who
    then represents the luthern church, and the only answer is……. Take your pick. That was part
    of the diabolical disorientation of vatican 2. Bergolio knows that fool well. It is one thing for all
    christians to be united in there belief in our lord, but it is something else to be mixed and
    scrambled. Bergolio also knows that. We have been warned about him by our lady of fatima.
    Let us no longer worry as to wether or not god is with our church, but rather worry about wether
    or not we are with him. There bergolio has no inflence.

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  14. To silence the words of the Consecration during Mass means that Jesus is not going to leave Heaven to come to His Altar to transubstantiate the bread and wine into His Body and Blood. Why must the Catholic Church compromise the Truth with apparent ecumenical reason for the Protestant churches? If the Protestants don’t believe in the Real Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ at the Consecration, so be it! Amen! Why must the Catholic Priests keep dumb. This Ecumenical Rite of Mass is going to water down the Catholic Church, the Jesus-made Church, not the man-made church. To compromise this Truth is sacrilegious!

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    • That is the reason last year Pope Francis told the young faithful not to attend the traditional Mass of the traditional churches not in full communion with him as he wants a Anglican Church he is not a catholic pope as no catholic pope who decree such crazy teachings . All priests must not be silent in the words of consecration of the body and blood of our Lord. The must be heard and over come the words of Pope Francis any priest who does silence at this stage is a anglican priest. Attend the Traditional Masses in your area and make your feelings heard by action and then only by these actions this pontiff will have to listen. SCT says that if a pope is in error then he must not be followed. Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani. Cardinal, Secretary of the Congregation of the Holy Office stated the Novus Ordo Mass deviates most seriously from the theology of the Catholic Mass. Our observations touch upon deviations which are typical. To prepare a complete study of all the pitfalls, dangers and psychologically and spiritually destructive elements the new rite contains, whether in texts, rubrics or instructions, would be a vast undertaking. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI stated Restoration of many or all of the customs, traditions, liturgical forms, public and private devotions and presentations of the teaching of the Catholic Church Pre – Vatican II.  “I am convinced that the crisis in the Church that we are experiencing today is to a large extent due to the disintegration of the liturgy. We must take heed of these words and fight.

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    • Exactly. only by action as Catholic can we make it clear of this Popes error. United we can defend the faith against this ANGLICAN POPE. The question also lies how many times has the Jesuits had their licence to teach theology revoked by Popes. Even the late pope John Paul II and Pope Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI suspended the Jesuits licence to teach theology several times. I never trust a Jesuit and or their teachings once a Jesuit always a Jesuit even if one become Pope like Francis.

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  15. Please, dear brethren this is an eye opener. What we shall do is to pray more now than ever. It must come to pass, but that the children of God will still remain in faithful to the end. Let’s all offer daily the following prayers for;
    1. Refuge in Jesus Christ.
    2. For the sustenance of faith.
    3. For Christ to cover the foundation of His Church With His Precious Blood against the plains of the occult kingdom and evil men.
    4. For our salvation and the salvation of the world.
    5. That all men and women will acknowledge the prize of their Redemption,” The truth”.
    Note: All men and women should get him or her self and your country consecrated to the Immaculate heart of Mary and to the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ!. These only is our hope of survival.
    Pray;
    One Our Father…..
    One Hail Mary……
    12 times Precious blood of Jesus Christ, save us and the whole world.
    3 times Glory be…..
    One Prayer to St Michael and our Guardian Angle.
    Conclude with the Memorare…
    Let’s pray these prayers faithfully and watch out what God Will do with our little efforts. Thanks.

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  18. Alta Vendita , and Si Si No No……..explains it all …..Once the enemies were from the outside but now they are from within. ……God help us all , but we must remember Our Lady has said in the end her Immaculate heart will triumph ……

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    • You can cross breed a lion with a tiger, but you can not cross breed an elephant with a fish. I
      have no anamosity towards elephants nor fish, but to get the two together, at least one must
      die. That bergolio knows and wants. The catholic church must be destroyed, because that is
      the first best and important step to destroy christianity, and that is exactly, what bergolio is
      after. Kiss my donkey brgolio! You can not fool me. I love our lord and his holy mother out of
      the deepest of my heart, and that means i love our holy mother church. For that reason i hate,
      what you are doing. Bergolio wants to leed souls to hell. The apostisy shall start fromm the top
      and the last pope shall come under the control of satan……… Our lady of fatima.

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  21. SINCE THE INFILTRATION OF THE CHURCH BY SATANIST IN THE EARLY 17TH CENTURY,OR THERE ABOUT,THERE HAS BEEN,HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE,UNTIL GOD’S INTERVENTION,NEGATIVE CHANGES IN THE GUISE OF REFORMATION AND INNOVATION.ALL THESE ARE TO SUIT THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE SATANISTS AGENDA TO DESTROY THE CHURCH IT PERCEIVES AS IT’S ARCH ENEMY.HOWEVER,MY FEAR IS REALLY NOT FOR THE CHURCH,BUT THE FAITH AND FATE OF THE FAITHFUL.JESUS,MARY AND JOSEPH:SAVE US ALL.

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  22. Very well stated, for that reason we must in sincere and humble prayer beg our lord to come
    and clean up The sooner the better. When newsweek magazine puts bergolios kisser on the
    front page with question………. Is pope francis even catholic? then you know, that the situation
    is very dire.

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